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Primary Key Meeting Notes 4_26_2009

Page history last edited by Oli Shields 11 years, 4 months ago

[1:09:11 PM] Thaddeus White says: hello

[1:10:01 PM] Thaddeus White says: Hello Naraphong

[1:10:19 PM] Naraphong says: Hi Thad

[1:11:03 PM] oliver shields says: What sounds like a good agenda. we were thinking:  ideas for format of the mind map; ideas for use groups; ideas for dimensions; applying dimensions to use groups.

[1:12:42 PM] oliver shields says: I've been trying out some Project Management software. Officezilla looks like it would work. I'm also looking at MS Project, MS Groove, Ace Project. I'll send you guys an invite into the officezilla if sounds good (I can set up a project plan in there with tasks etc., we could discuss next meeting maybe)

[1:13:16 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok

[1:13:37 PM] Naraphong says: ok

[1:14:12 PM] Thaddeus White says: ms project or officezilla is cool with me

[1:15:18 PM] oliver shields says: Ok, sounds good, I'll work on those two. I think we have everyone apart from Mio. You could try adding him if you like, but I think he's offline. Want to go ahead and run through the agenda in any case and we can recap for him if he is able to join?

[1:16:53 PM] Naraphong says: Yeah, I think we should follow the agenda. I think you can be here with us til 2:14, isn't it, Oli

[1:17:25 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok

[1:17:34 PM] oliver shields says: right - i have a football ("soccer") game at 3pm so need to get going around then ideally

[1:17:50 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[1:18:36 PM] Naraphong says: sport guy (clap)

[1:19:15 PM] oliver shields says: I get athlete's foot sometimes which is the closest i get to being an athlete ;) But I'm from London where everyone is into soccer.

[1:19:57 PM] oliver shields says: the way i was thinking this mindmap would work is to have each initial branch being a use and then each added branch would be a key dimension from that use. i'm sure there are other ways to do that though. other ideas on the mindmap structure?

[1:20:41 PM] oliver shields says: oh - and i went 10-pin bowling last night ... (for a friend's birthday party)

[1:25:28 PM] Thaddeus White says: yes i have placed grid computing

[1:26:41 PM] oliver shields says: sorry, i'm not knowledgeable on that area. so grid computing would be a use of one of these databases?

[1:28:06 PM] Naraphong says: Sorry, but I'm not familiar with grid computing in database.

[1:29:54 PM] Thaddeus White says: yes, basically it is where all databases could be in concert with other online databases in the form of data mining, web analytics for marketing research, and collaboration with medical history.  Example would be the recent IBM commercial dealing with how IBM is trying to "make a smarter world".  This would be the technology behnd the scenes.

[1:31:14 PM] Thaddeus White says: Are we doing a report on just online databases in general or it has to be in a specific arena?

[1:33:37 PM] oliver shields says: I think for now we look at say 6 uses for online databases. Then we think about the dimensions (issues that impact technology choice) and then which dimensions would be important for each use.

[1:33:56 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok cool

[1:33:57 PM] oliver shields says: the point being that depending on the use, different dimensions will come into play

[1:34:32 PM] oliver shields says: So how about if we brainstorm a) uses b) dimensions. Naraphong did some research of online databases

[1:35:11 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok

[1:35:37 PM] oliver shields says: I was thinking initially that an online database would just be an oracle db for example but hooked up onto the internet. From Naraphong's research - and he can correct me - it's more of an online tool to help people create fancy databases with not much technical knowledge

[1:36:43 PM] Naraphong says: Like Oli said, the new trend online database seems to focus on business field.

[1:37:54 PM] Naraphong says: It focuses on summary report of sales, inventory or customer in the shape of chart, map, or normal report.

[1:39:06 PM] Thaddeus White says: MS Access would be the beginner database and Oracle also has a more friendly user interface.

[1:40:17 PM] Thaddeus White says: I would agree that business integration is high on the trending but collaboration amongst the databases and also redundacy is increasing.

[1:42:40 PM] Thaddeus White says: jus brainstormin :)

[1:42:41 PM] Naraphong says: That's a good idea, Thad. To redundace the data.

[1:43:34 PM] Naraphong says: Yesterday, I put it should able to use in multi language what do you guys think about it?

[1:43:39 PM] oliver shields says: how about we define what an online database is. For example are we talking about a) a service online that allows a basic user to create a database and has functionality b) an online version of MS Access / Oracle that multiple users can access via the internet c) all of the above .... ?

[1:43:50 PM] oliver shields says: i think multi-language is a good dimension

[1:44:25 PM] Thaddeus White says: i agree with the multilanguage as well for global marketing.

[1:45:01 PM] oliver shields says: also how about on the wiki we have a hyperlinked page with all the uses we can think of and b) all the dimensions we can think of. we could then combine the two in a matrix format?

[1:45:34 PM] Thaddeus White says: i am leaning towards b then c

[1:45:48 PM] Thaddeus White says: coll

[1:45:51 PM] Thaddeus White says: oops

[1:45:53 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[1:47:19 PM] Naraphong says: Yeah I think b) could able to define it.

[1:47:41 PM] Naraphong says: But we need to define about the users.

[1:47:57 PM] oliver shields says: Good to define it. if you VPN onto a company server and use the database on that, this wouldn't be an "online database" would it? I think it has to be a database actually on a web server ....

[1:48:38 PM] oliver shields says: Users can be various people depending on what they're looking for. So could be business people, individuals or IT people from the sounds of it?

[1:48:58 PM] Thaddeus White says: technically it is an online database....it just has domain restrictions to who can access it

[1:49:18 PM] Thaddeus White says: intrasite database

[1:49:19 PM] Naraphong says: Also, what do you think about online database admin, will he/she need to be an IT?

[1:49:54 PM] Thaddeus White says: yes

[1:50:10 PM] Thaddeus White says: or they could outsource

[1:50:21 PM] Thaddeus White says: to another IT firm

[1:55:32 PM] oliver shields says: I'm setting up a link on the wiki to uses.

[1:55:37 PM] oliver shields says: and dimensions

[1:56:25 PM] oliver shields says: has anyone looked at pages from other teams / previous semesters to see how they did this? that would probably be worth checking?

[1:56:30 PM] Naraphong says: Well, is that important to have all function in Online database same as typical database, or can we put only some function?

[1:57:22 PM] oliver shields says: Depends on the use right? - if you want to do wikipedia competitor for example you would need all the bells and whistles? or powerful grid computing? if you just want an online workpaper repository for your project team could be much less advanced?

[1:57:47 PM] oliver shields says: so various functionality will be some of the dimensions we should look into presumably?

[2:02:08 PM] oliver shields says: Small business financial management/ accounting

Grid computing

Customer listing

Product listing

Work paper/ time forecasting database

[2:02:36 PM] oliver shields says: These were the uses I came up with so far: Small business financial management/ accounting; Grid computing; Customer listing; Product listing; Work paper/ time forecasting database

[2:02:53 PM] Thaddeus White says: sounds like a plan

[2:03:18 PM] oliver shields says: How do those sound? If you had more of a powerful database then presumably you could add things like online encyclopedias (say wikipedia, IMDB etc..). Others?

[2:04:59 PM] Naraphong says: Could we combi customer listing and product listing to something likes business information listing or something like that.

[2:06:09 PM] oliver shields says: Makes sense. How about "business information listing (product listing, customer listing, etc.)"?

[2:06:56 PM] Thaddeus White says: CRM - customer relationship management

[2:07:32 PM] oliver shields says: Yes good point - I think CRM would be the business term

[2:08:29 PM] oliver shields says: The page is on the wiki now if one of you want to update it

[2:08:35 PM] Thaddeus White says: Work paper = Document Workflow Management?

[2:09:51 PM] oliver shields says: Maybe. The idea behind that is that my department uses a database to organize our project workpapers. it would be nice to have it online for when we work from home. Also, we use a database for forecasting our time and recording time spend on different projects, also would be nice to have it online.

[2:10:47 PM] Thaddeus White says: ERM - enterprise resource management

[2:11:23 PM] Thaddeus White says: or ERP

[2:11:35 PM] oliver shields says: Yes- that sounds good. you know the corporate acronyms inside out ;)

[2:11:40 PM] Thaddeus White says: enterprise resource planning

[2:11:47 PM] Thaddeus White says: lol

[2:11:52 PM] oliver shields says: ERP is more of a supply chain mangement - i think that's slightly different personally. I like the ERM

[2:12:06 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[2:13:19 PM] Naraphong says: good

[2:14:06 PM] oliver shields says: Here are the dimensions i have so far: Response time

Easy to download into excel / pdf format

Access restricted to appropriate personnel

Easy to import data from excel / spreadsheets

Can be edited by Multiple Users concurrently

Good user interface

Good reporting functionality

Database functionality (join command etc.)

Multi-language

[2:14:52 PM] Naraphong says: cool

[2:16:12 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[2:17:30 PM] oliver shields says: I've got to take off fairly soon. Just thinking about a plan to complete

[2:17:45 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok

[2:18:56 PM] Naraphong says: Let's put the second one and the forth one into  Easy to import/export (excel, pdf,spreadsheet)

[2:19:14 PM] oliver shields says: How about if I upload a spreadsheet onto the wiki with uses on one axis and dimensions on another access. Then we could all determine which dimensions are key for which use? And we could add any additional uses/ dimensions that come to mind? Also how about if one of us checks the other pages to see if we can get any ideas from what the other teams are doing?

[2:19:23 PM] oliver shields says: agreed to combine the two - can you do on the wiki?

[2:19:56 PM] Thaddeus White says: agreed

[2:20:09 PM] Thaddeus White says: when is this due

[2:20:12 PM] oliver shields says: how about if we also update the mindmap after we're doing and add a link on the wiki to that - shows we tried using the technology

[2:20:21 PM] Thaddeus White says: ?

[2:20:41 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok

[2:20:45 PM] oliver shields says: tonight at midnight .... although they seem to check it a few days after the deadline at least but i think would be try to finish today

[2:21:08 PM] Thaddeus White says: ok with the due date

[2:21:12 PM] Naraphong says: I think I already add mindmap on the page. http://pm440.pbwiki.com/Primary-Key-Meeting-04_24_2009

[2:21:54 PM] oliver shields says: yes - you added it to the meeting minutes. I was thinking we could add a version once updated to the actual main project page?

[2:22:07 PM] oliver shields says: just an idea

[2:22:11 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[2:22:42 PM] Naraphong says: Ok, I'll do it.

[2:25:46 PM] oliver shields says: One other thing would potentially be to add the definition of an online database to the page. I inserted a paragraph for that. how about if one person does that, and the other does the research on the other teams? Then we could all add additional content and fill in the spreadsheet i will upload. We will probably need to discuss the spreadsheet quickly as we may have different ideas - can everyone meet up later for a few minutes to finish off, say after dinner?

[2:26:48 PM] oliver shields says: ie like around 9pm?? i'm usually on skype so i'm always around. Oui seems to usually be online as well?

[2:26:56 PM] Thaddeus White says: 9pm is cool

[2:27:48 PM] Thaddeus White says: i can take the definition as well

[2:27:58 PM] oliver shields says: Okay, thanks thad.

[2:29:07 PM] Naraphong says: that's fine for me Oli

[2:29:54 PM] oliver shields says: cool, thanks

[2:33:04 PM] Thaddeus White says: r we finished until 9pm?

[2:33:44 PM] oliver shields says: sounds good to me. See you both at 9pm then.

[2:34:03 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool cya guys

[2:36:20 PM] Naraphong says: See ya and take care

 

[9:03:18 PM] oliver shields says: Hey, do you guys want to chat now regarding the dimensions/ uses?

[9:03:39 PM] *** Thaddeus White can't be added to this chat due to his/her privacy settings

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[9:05:07 PM] *** Naraphong added Thaddeus White to this chat

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[9:05:32 PM] Thaddeus White says: we can

[9:05:34 PM] Naraphong says: Hi Oli

[9:05:40 PM] oliver shields says: Hey

[9:05:46 PM] Thaddeus White says: howdy

[9:05:54 PM] Naraphong says: Hi Thad

[9:06:07 PM] Thaddeus White says: hello

[9:06:59 PM] oliver shields says: I'm finishing off working on the use/dimension matrix. Here were some ideas i had for the agenda now

[9:07:07 PM] Naraphong says: I think we should check this out to guide us. http://pm440.pbwiki.com/Ideation-Mindmapping

[9:07:12 PM] Thaddeus White says: For the definition, I was just going to post a link to the wikipedia.  That seems to be sufficient.  Your thoughts...

[9:07:36 PM] oliver shields says: Agenda: Any thoughts from what other teams are doing? Additional uses/ dimensions? Online database definition on wiki? Link to updated mindmap? My updates to wiki esp with roles / responsibilities.

[9:07:58 PM] oliver shields says: Posting link to wikipedia there sounds good to me

[9:08:10 PM] oliver shields says: i'll check out that link Oui

[9:08:54 PM] Thaddeus White says: Oli, i was about to update, but didnt want to steal the lock from ya..

[9:09:27 PM] oliver shields says: sorry about that, i'll log out. no problem taking the lock

[9:09:55 PM] Thaddeus White says: no keep your work i can get it later

[9:10:05 PM] Thaddeus White says: no problem

[9:13:49 PM] oliver shields says: my connection is a bit slow right now

[9:14:16 PM] oliver shields says: did you get the officezilla invite - i set us all up as users on a "project key" virtual office. it seems like a nice site.

[9:17:20 PM] Naraphong says: Sorry Oli, but I don't get any officezilla invite.

[9:18:30 PM] oliver shields says: it should be coming - the invite takes a while to come they only send out periodically (i tested it a bit with my other email account). the password is "primarykey" and i think the username is your email address.

[9:19:48 PM] Naraphong says: ok, thanks for setting up officezilla Oli.

[9:20:00 PM] Naraphong says: How about the agenda tonight?

[9:20:41 PM] oliver shields says: I think we should try to finish the assignment 2

[9:21:12 PM] oliver shields says: Ie Additional uses/ additional dimensions? - I updated the wiki for what we discussed this afternoon. I

[9:21:28 PM] oliver shields says: i'm trying to look at the link you just sent - any takeaways from it?

[9:21:47 PM] oliver shields says: I'm finishing off the spreadsheet with users/ dimensions now also

[9:27:17 PM] Thaddeus White says: the definition has been updated

[9:27:52 PM] oliver shields says: thanks

[9:28:48 PM] oliver shields says: what do you guys think of the uses /dimensions attached to the wiki?

[9:30:06 PM] Thaddeus White says: solid

[9:31:29 PM] oliver shields says: Cool. Oui - any additional comments. I also just added a spreadsheet with use on one column, dimension on the other, giving a ranking of how importance each dimension is to each use (High, medium or low)

[9:32:59 PM] oliver shields says: One other thing I wanted to mention - I thought the roles / responsibilities weren't really complete (ie didn't mention updating the wikipedia web site) and were a bit unclear (we had 3 people down for doing research / pm440 wiki updating). I was thinking one person should be ultimately responsible for each to keep the accountability. Just wanted to run by you guys

[9:33:11 PM] oliver shields says: Here is what I was thinking would work better - Team leader: Oliver Shields

Team logo: Miodrag Zagorov

Research:  Naraphong Apirutvarkul  (lead); Miodrag Zagorov (assistant);

Wikipedia Editing: Miodrag Zagorov (lead); Naraphong Apirutvarkul  (assistant)

PM440 Wiki Update: Oliver Shields (lead); Thaddeus White (assistant)

Presentation:  Thaddeus White (lead); Oliver Shields (assistant)

[9:33:48 PM] oliver shields says: Just my thoughts - my basic idea is that there should be more roles and more accountability

[9:34:57 PM] Naraphong says: That's cool Oli

[9:35:09 PM] Thaddeus White says: That would fall under task assignments

[9:35:12 PM] Naraphong says: Sorry I mess up with the mindmapping

[9:35:37 PM] Thaddeus White says: I can focus on all grid computing research

[9:35:45 PM] oliver shields says: Right - in officezilla each one of these can be assigned to a person.

[9:35:46 PM] Thaddeus White says: and any other topics

[9:36:09 PM] oliver shields says: I see what you're saying. I'm not sure of exact details but I'm thinking next week we have to take some of the uses and expand upon?

[9:36:35 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[9:36:40 PM] oliver shields says: In which case we could each take one we like and expand upon?

[9:37:31 PM] oliver shields says: How does this sound: Thad - grid computing; Oli - Enterprise resource management; Oui - ?; Mio - ?

[9:38:08 PM] oliver shields says: i might be jumping ahead too quickly on splitting up the areas though ... just an idea

[9:38:51 PM] Thaddeus White says: quickly can be good 8-)

[9:39:07 PM] oliver shields says: Ha - yes - I like speed!

[9:39:32 PM] oliver shields says: i added another dimension if sounds good - secure from viruses and other threats

[9:39:55 PM] Naraphong says: That's sound good

[9:40:13 PM] Naraphong says: I think we can mention the physical and software security.

[9:41:33 PM] oliver shields says: i added to the wiki page - Secure from viruses and other threats (physical and software)

[9:42:38 PM] Naraphong says: This is the one, I try to update, please feel free to edit it.

http://www.mindmeister.com/20157866?password=primary%20key

[9:42:38 PM] oliver shields says: Oui - want to research one of the areas more in preparation for next week. how does that approach sound?

[9:43:20 PM] Naraphong says: Good for me Oli.

[9:43:47 PM] oliver shields says: Cool. I'm looking at the ideation- mindmapping site now

[9:45:36 PM] Naraphong says: I think I may focus on Stock investment database analysis.

[9:46:02 PM] oliver shields says: Sounds good - do you invest in the stock market? I like to day trade sometimes at work!

[9:46:33 PM] oliver shields says: That site seems pretty similar in what they're doing to us

[9:46:57 PM] Naraphong says: Sorry, I don't Oli, but I'm quite interested in stock market.

[9:47:03 PM] oliver shields says: They identified more uses and then narrowed down to 5 or 6. Personally I think just having 5 is fine?

[9:48:17 PM] Thaddeus White says: five is a good number

[9:48:44 PM] oliver shields says: one other thing - they define a range for each dimension in terms of basic, intermediate and advanced as below. Do we need to do more on this? 

Simultaneous interaction Range:

Reviewer: Maybe the person/group can only "See"

Editor: "You can see and edit/draw, but maybe not delete or add images.

Owner: Full Control - Add/Delete images.

 

2 way Audio/Video Range: 

Audio Only

Video Only 

Both 

 

Ability to upload/export attached images Range:

Basic: Can only import/export to .gif, .bmp

Intermediate:  Can only import/export to .gif, .bmp, .jpeg, .png

Advanced: Can only import/export to gif, .bmp, .jpeg, .png, .tiff, .doc, .pdf

[9:50:13 PM] oliver shields says: i

[9:51:55 PM] oliver shields says: stock market fun although easy to lose $ !

[9:52:11 PM] Naraphong says: Yes, I agree with you Oli.

[9:55:51 PM] oliver shields says: If you think we're good with the wiki as it is, i say we call it a day then and work on those areas. I can let mio know that he's assigned one of the others if sounds good.

[9:57:01 PM] Thaddeus White says: i agree

[9:57:24 PM] Thaddeus White says: next meeting?

[9:57:54 PM] oliver shields says: next meeting scheduled for next Sat at 2pm. I can meet before then if you like

[9:58:04 PM] Thaddeus White says: cool

[9:59:24 PM] Naraphong says: good for me.

[10:00:11 PM] oliver shields says: okay. have a good night then. let us know if you want to meet up during the week. otherwise next Sat at 2pm. I have to finish off 4 loads of laundry now!

[10:00:21 PM] Thaddeus White says: take care

[10:00:30 PM] Thaddeus White says: cya guys

[10:01:07 PM] Naraphong says: Good luck guys

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